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    John Terry and Anton Ferdinand racism trial

    Chelsea and England defender John Terry is due to stand trial later accused of racially abusing QPR's Anton Ferdinand.

    The case relates to a comment allegedly made to Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand when the teams played last October.

    The 31-year-old is charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence, for which the maximum sentence is a 2,500 fine.

    The Chelsea skipper's trial takes place at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

    Police questioned Mr Terry under caution in November 2011 and a file on the matter was sent to the Crown Prosecution Service at the beginning of December.

    The decision to investigate the former England captain was taken when police received a complaint from a member of the public after the Premier League match at Loftus Road.

    As a summary offence under the Crime and Disorder Act, it will be fully heard in a magistrates' court.

    Mr Terry, who won the Champions League and the FA Cup with Chelsea this season, was part of the England team that reached the quarter-finals of Euro 2012 last month





    Did he or didn't he?


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    We will soon find out and as far as I'm concerned this shudda been sorted have been sorted moths ago it wouldnt have been dragged out this long if it was joe public


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    exactly... they allowed him to carry on playing... like you said if it was a member of the public then they would have been suspended from their "high profile" job until this was sorted...

    slapped wrists is what he will get!

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    Re: John Terry and Anton Ferdinand racism trial

    Anton Ferdinand has told a court he would have been "very hurt" if he had heard John Terry racially abuse him.

    Chelsea and England footballer Mr Terry, 31, is charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence - an allegation he denies.

    It relates to a comment allegedly made by the Chelsea captain to the QPR defender when the teams played at Loftus Road last October.

    The trial, set to last five days, is at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

    If found guilty, the maximum sentence Mr Terry could receive is a 2,500 fine.

    It is alleged that the Chelsea defender insulted Mr Ferdinand by calling him black with the use of extreme sexual swear words.

    Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used.

    But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind.

    The QPR defender told the court that if he had realised at the time he would have told officials.

    "I would have been obviously very hurt and I probably wouldn't have reacted at the time because, being a professional, you can't do that.

    "I probably would have let the officials know what happened and dealt with it after the game," he said.

    "When someone brings your colour into it, it takes it to another level and it's very hurtful."

    Under cross-examination, Mr Ferdinand said he was no stranger to being sworn at and agreed he had also sworn at players.

    At the QPR home match on 23 October, Chelsea were down to nine men when Mr Ferdinand and Mr Terry began trading insults over a penalty claim, the court heard.

    Asked why he was so angry with Mr Terry appealing for a penalty, Mr Ferdinand, describing himself as a "calm, collected player", said: "Because I am a winner."

    Proceedings in court have been punctuated by swear words but Mr Ferdinand insisted he did not use those words off the pitch.

    George Carter-Stephenson QC asked the witness if by shouting abuse at the Chelsea player he was "trying to get a rise out of Mr Terry and get him to react?"

    "Probably, yes," responded Mr Ferdinand. "There wasn't long left in the game."

    The QC suggested that Mr Ferdinand had made up the allegation of racism as swearing at him and talking about his alleged affair was not having "the desired effect" of winding Mr Terry up.

    Mr Ferdinand denied this.

    The Chelsea captain was allowed out of the dock into the well of the court to view footage of the alleged insult

    The court heard that Mr Terry maintains he was only sarcastically repeating words that Mr Ferdinand wrongly thought he had used, during the match which was broadcast to millions of people.

    Opening the prosecution, Duncan Penny said: "The Crown's case is that the words were abusive and insulting in a straightforward sense."

    He added that a racially abusive obscenity had been uttered "demonstrating hostility based on Mr Ferdinand's membership of a racial group".

    "They were uttered by the defendant in response to goading by Mr Ferdinand on the issue of his extra-marital affair, rather than by way of exaggerated and instant querying of a perceived false allegation," he said.

    Two TV clips and footage not previously broadcast of the incident, normally used for training purposes, were shown to the court.

    The trial heard that Mr Ferdinand said something about the Chelsea player's alleged affair and made fist gestures, before Mr Terry responded.

    Chelsea team-mates John Mikel Obi and Ashley Cole were nearby when insults were traded, but they will not be called as witnesses as part of the prosecution case.

    In a statement to the Football Association five days afterwards, Mr Terry said that he and Mr Ferdinand had been exchanging "verbals" and he had made a gesture to imply Mr Ferdinand had bad breath.

    He said: "We're still having a, sort of, ding-dong, if you like," adding that was when the QPR player had used a racially abusive obscenity.

    Mr Terry said he did not think Mr Ferdinand was referring to him, but nevertheless he still took "strong offence".



    The England defender said he was not offended by the taunts about the alleged affair with Wayne Bridge's ex-girlfriend, because "it's not the first time I've heard it, so it's with a pinch of salt a little bit now".

    But he said he was angered by any accusation that he might have used a racist insult.

    After the match, Mr Terry asked a steward to get Mr Ferdinand from the dressing room.

    The Chelsea player said in his statement that he had asked Mr Ferdinand if he was accusing him of using racially abusive language towards him.


    Later, in an interview, he added: "I'm being honest and open with you guys, that I didn't mean it in the context that, if you watch the video and me, watching the video, you can quite easily say that doesn't look good.

    "But at the same time, in the context of what I thought Anton accused me of, you know, no-one can argue what my feelings were at that time."

    Immediately after the match, Mr Ferdinand did not think that Mr Terry had used racist words, the court heard.

    "It's handbags innit - it's what happens on the pitch", he said, and the two shook hands.

    In a statement made to police last November, Mr Terry said he was offended by the accusation that he had used racist language.

    "Whilst footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever [the] situation," the statement read.

    "I was completely taken aback by this remark as I have never been accused of something like that and I did not take his remark lightly at all, and took strong offence to his suggestion."

    Police questioned the ex England captain under caution in November 2011 after a complaint from a member of the public following the Premier League match.

    As a summary offence under the Crime and Disorder Act, the trial will be fully dealt with in a magistrates' court, with no jury, and is being heard by Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle.

    Anton Ferdinand has played for West Ham, Sunderland and QPR and is the brother of Rio Ferdinand, John Terry's England team-mate and defensive partner for the national side

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    Re: John Terry and Anton Ferdinand racism trial

    i agree should have been sorted months ago 2,500 is small change to terry im sure dont think this will change him at all.

    I appreciate in the heat of the moment the odd swear word may sneak out but not a racist remark

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    the fine should be about 250,000

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    Nothing will happen it will be forgot about in a few weeks when the season starts if this was any normal person then it wouldn't have even gone to the police and the fact he's famous people seem Intrested in the case if it was me nobody would care less l I bet this kind of stuff goes on every single day and nothing comes from it by what I read on sky news today ferdinand had a dig at Terry and he took the bait both as bad as each other I reckon
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    Your missing the point of it all though... these people are role models, idols to thousands of children, they are in the public eye all the time and they agree to uphold the ban against racism yet they still think they are better than anyone else. They should know better! but the fame and money goes to there heads and they think they can water on water...

    Its about time someone brought a few of them down to ground level again... Fingers crossed he gets the book thrown at him...

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    Re: John Terry and Anton Ferdinand racism trial

    Anyone who has had any dealings with the criminal justice system will realise that rich or poor, the systems moves at glacial speeds.


    Racism has no place in society and whether said in mimic or 'my friends are black of course i didn't mean it' style, there is simply no need for it. Trying to excuse Terry's response as retaliation is pointless, there is no excuse for attacking someone because of their ethnicity. I mean its not like Ferdinand said anything untruthful, if JT can't take the heat then he should think twice before doing what he does.
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    As I said nothing will happen not guilty given by the judge
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